ausmicro vs bitpimps mod challenge idea!

[betty.k]

first read brendan’s topic,

http://www.ausmicro.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1748&FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Forum_Title=GENERAL+CHAT&Topic_Title=3+way+project

this gave me an idea, we could organise a couple of ausmicro mod teams to produce the ultimate bits as entries in a ‘mod off’ with a couple of teams from bitpimps- http://www.bitpimps.lixlink.com/index.php
we’d have to rope in an impartial 3rd party to judge this thing, and even invite some other sites to enter. so let’s nut out some ideas and rules here, then we’ll issue an official challenge to them seppo’s:evil: being the competitive folk they are, i’m sure they’ll eagerly accept:D
so whadda ya reckon?! let’s stomp ’emblackeye::8ball:

[brendan]

yeah sounds good betty. who would be in the teams but.

how bout, ausmicro and bitpimps has 2 teams each, (3 people in a team) once they have finished modding there cars they post there cars on the forum and make a poll to see the 3 best cars outta the four. Then ausmicro and bitpimps have a joined contest which all members can join in, And the prizes are the 3 best cars. And the fourth car can be sold or what ever the team wants to do with it:question:

how does that sound?

Edited by – brendan123 on 21 January 2004 16:53:10

[betty.k]

as far as who’s in the teams iguess you could just form one. or have a poll as to who we want representing us.
someone other than a pimp or ausmicro member will have to do the judging:8ball:

[merc-blue]

lol u recon bitpimps would even have a chance toughs guys have so many noobs posting.. how can i go fast…. lol n most our guys have stacked mosfet/dual cell/dual motor… well atlest some of us do.. and soo enough its gonna be… full suspention ,dual cell, dual motor, stacked mosfet

[z-beam]

i like the idea of more comps, but i dont know about giving up a prize winning beast as a prize tho…

[betty.k]

i think the prize should be some sorta trophy. maybe we can burn a bit and make an ashes type trophy!:8ball:

[Aaron]

Some issues I see….

Members of Bit Pimps are members here and vice versa. No point starting site wars between what are arguably the best pair of micro R/C sites worldwide.

A trophy that could be partially ‘virtual’ as in bragging rights and maybe a smaller prize for the team members would be cool. I’ve sure one of the sellers of parts may be able to offer something.

Overall I think it’s an interesting concept. I’d like to think that we’d be able to do something fun and fair!

A.

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Site Owner Guy.

[betty.k]

i’m a member at bitpimps as well, and i agree with aaron. i wouldn’t want this to go any further than friendly rivalry. obviously dual members will have to pick a site to align themselves with for the purpose of this comp, but other than that we’re all united as micro rc fans
re the trophy idea, i was thinking of a real one, say a bit mounted on a stand painted gold, and make it like the america’s cup trophy. this could be an annual event, winner holds the trophy for a year.:8ball:

Edited by – betty.k on 21 January 2004 21:58:01

[brendan]

thats a good idea betty,even no tha yanks would never touch the trophy :smiley2:, And yeah it is just abit of fun, nothing to get all worked up about.

[BilboFOL]

For dual members how about the Aussies default to AusMicro and the Americans to BitPimps. Then the rest of the world choose who’s side they want to compete with.

[barto_85]

yeah, thats what i thought also bilbo…it could also be an annual competition to see who can retain or steal the trophy! choosing teams will however be hard…got a couple of techo’s who would all want in, a couple of body modders, a couple of painters etc…maybe people can form their own teams as mentioned above.

[DarkTari]

I say it sounds like a pretty good comp. Rules would definately have to be set. Impartial Judges would have to be chosen. And definitive pictures admitted, maybe even video! And a commitee !

Since this is gonna be a sort of Americas Cup deal, we need more teams than just Aus & bitPimps! We have quite a few Micro RC forums here TRC, WeGotU, MRC?,RCMod,URC, just to name a few. Plus the German Forums: BitRacer.de, and lets not forget Denmark: RaceTin.dk, UK: Bit-Char-gUk, UK Bit-Char-G, etc and let’s not forget the Asian forums where this hobby all started.

Am I taking this a bit far ?????

[betty.k]

not at all big fella! worldwide comp sounds like a great idea! has it been done before?
i only visit ausmicro and bitpimps, so could people that frequent other sites spread the word?:8ball:

[payaso]

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lol u recon bitpimps would even have a chance toughs guys have so many noobs posting.. how can i go fast…. lol n most our guys have stacked mosfet/dual cell/dual motor… well atlest some of us do.. and soo enough its gonna be… full suspention ,dual cell, dual motor, stacked mosfet

Settle down fella…..lol We gots a bunch of vets in the “hood”

As long as it’s just a friendly type deal, I’d be all for it. I know I haven’t pushed anything off the line in a while, so there might be a few peeps that just think I’m a poster, but rest assured I’ve got some cool stuff brewin on the back burner.

We need to get the ironing board out, and get this ironed out.

I’d hate to start a war between us, seeing how this was the first site I started posting on, and all. lol

silla

[ph2t]

hmmm, now which side should I be on?

[betty.k]

here’s a link to the pimps thread re this topic

http://www.bitpimps.lixlink.com/pages/phpForum/viewtopic.php?t=2991

looks like some enthusiastic and positive initial response about this, which is what i hoped for. this is gonna be great!!:D

ph2t, you a skippy, through and through! an’ donchoo fergit it!!:approve::8ball:

[ph2t]

so I’m a skippydabushkangarooa hey? fair ‘nuf!

guess you can lock that in eddie!

ph2t.

[brendan]

back to the team issue, how many teams would there auctually be?

[ph2t]

I’ve just put a huge post on the bitpimps thread in regard to this, check it out there.

ph2t.

[betty.k]

this is probably gonna be the official discussion site, so i’ll paste ph2t’s post here too. he makes some good points

Some thoughts:

1) This could end up way too huge and become a beast unto itself. Why don’t we have teams independant of which site. Perhaps somthing like this:

A) Each team consists of 3 members.
B) Each members role can be figured out within the team.
C) Each team must make visible to the rest of the forums what team member did what. (no easy ride for those slackas!)
D) Team members aren’t site dependant. IE: Example team members: ph2t, crazydave & brendan123. (Just an example kiddies!!!)
E) You can only be a member of one team, period!
F) Team memberships are final once the comp has started.
–i) No teams can change members during the comp.
–ii) Team members are made visible at begining of comp.
–iii) If a member drops out for personal reasons, that’s OK.
–The team concerned may still continue but no more additions to the
–team would be allowed.
G) Each team will have a group name identifying that team.
H) One entry only per team. 1/64 scale cars only.

2) Keep the scope of the competition relatively small. Just make one site the main comp site! Eg:Bitpimps or Ausmicro. Discussions about the entries could be at many other sites. This shouldn’t matter. But the official stuff should be kept on one site.

3) Keep the deliverables of the competition simple and clear. Eg, what the judging criteria would be. Limit to no more than 10 points and each points is valued on a point scale of 1 – 5 say.

4) Judging could only be done by the teams that enter. With one simple rule, you cannot judge your own entry. Make the format similar to the Euro Music comps or World Idol.

–A) Every team judges other Teams entries only.
–B) Judging based on scope set in point 3
–C) Results submitted to official thread. This way it is visible
–to all parties.
–D) When it comes around to judge your own team’s entry you
–automatically get the max results for judging critereon set in point 3.
–E) Results are totaled up and winner is found.

5) Prizes. This one can be tricky. Maybee we just make the simple rule that the winning team gets the cred it deserves! Nothing more, nothing less. I’m personally happy with that. I’m sure a lot of teams would consist of seasoned members that aren’t fly-by-nighters and they see the true value in being judged by their peers and the recognition that placing in the top three would mean.

6) Timeline. Set the timeline with a few distinct stages.

–Stage 1: Team setups.
–Stage 2: Submission into offical thread of Team memberships.
–Stage 3: Competition begins. Team memberships is now final.
–Stage 4: Between Stage 3 and Stage 5 Teams submit their entry.
–Stage 5: Competition closes and Team voting begins.
–Stage 6: Voting closes.
–Stage 7: Voting is counted and 1st, 2nd & 3rd places are announced.

Can you tell I’ve done a bit of project management in my time? lol….

ph2t.

[betty.k]

re worldwide comp; how about 4 teams. aus, usa, europe, asia.that way it won’t get out of hand with too many entries. whatever we decide we do need to limit the number of entries. and if an aussie wants to be part of a us team and vice versa then i reckon that should be allowed. i’m trying to unite people, not divide.
definately some sort of trophy or at least a certificate to the winner, the most valuable component being the prestige/bragging rights
i think it would be ok for entrants to judge, so long as their own entry is given a default score. i’d certainly judge each entry for what it’s worth, i’d like it to be fair, in fact i think it would be difficult to accurately judge my own work:8ball:

[brendan]

i dont like the idea of a world wide comp for some reasonblackeye: And it would be a little bit hard to be a aussie on the yanks side or a yank on a aussie side, because you will have to send the car over to america or australia and that might take a while:question:

[merc-blue]

lol any ways y would u want a yank working on ur micro they would probly stuff it up.. but the aussies would have 2 do a 69 monaro gts… or sumthing maybe a new HSV or the ford GT HERO…. and the yanks could do a pontic or mustang… the brits can do a mini … the japs can do a skyline or sumthing… the germans can do a beetle etc etc etc

[betty.k]

i think mailing stuff around the globe won’t present any probs, apart from time delays and risk of loss/damage.

69 monaro?! you liddle ripper!!:D:8ball:

[BilboFOL]

Maybe the teams should be

Austrilia & New Zealand
Canada
USA NE
USA SE
USA NW
USA SW
EU West
EU East
EU North
EU South
Central America (Mexico to Panama)
South America
Japan
Asia
Africa

Maybe a freindly comp to decide who represents which area and then the winning teams from those areas then compete for the World Cup of Modding.

Maybe have the USA and EU compete amongst themselves for a individual title.

I think you should try and live in the area you represent (but not required)

Maybe have the USA and EU compete amongst themselves for a individual title.

Teams can call themselves whatever they wish but they represent a region.

I wonder whom I could get to represent the Shire with me. 😀

[betty.k]

yeah, i think an internal comp to decide the representatives is the way to go.

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Maybe have the USA and EU compete amongst themselves for a individual title.

whassa matter half pint! doncha think we’re contenders down here!!:D

crazydave wrote:

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I wonder if we had enough forums involved if Tomy, or Hobbico would take interest.

now this is getting interesting!!:p:8ball:

[Aaron]

*laughs* Guys I think that there’s some Valid point raised here!

I’m going to PIN this topic…

Keep nutting it out…
If someone from Bitpimps admin drops me a line we can discuss off-site some ideas 😉

blackeye:
A.

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Site Owner Guy.

[BilboFOL]

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yeah, i think an internal comp to decide the representatives is the way to go.

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Maybe have the USA and EU compete amongst themselves for a individual title.

whassa matter half pint! doncha think we’re contenders down here!!:D

Hmm. I guess you didn’t read it the way I meant it.

The USA teams would compete against themselves to have one USA Representative (same for EU). I know y’all know how to mod, I’ve been beaten enough times in comps by residents of the land of OZ.

[CaboWabo]

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*laughs* Guys I think that there’s some Valid point raised here!

I’m going to PIN this topic…

Keep nutting it out…
If someone from Bitpimps admin drops me a line we can discuss off-site some ideas 😉

blackeye:
A.

maybe either ausmicro or bitpimps could setup a hidden forum for just the mod/admins to start ironing out details?
looking for any way to make communication easier.

As you noted your concerns in your first post… I’m beginning to worry more about the “rivalry” thing.

It’s obviously already starting, and we obviously won’t be able to keep everyone from spouting off [merc-blue] and trying to turn this into a war of sorts.

I’m starting to lean away from the whole “VS” idea.
By the discussions here and on bitPimps, this is really nothing more than a typical contest – now we add in the fact that it’s a “team” contest.

So I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be better to just say “hey, here’s the comp, work in teams, represent whoever you want or make up your own team if that’s what you want to do.”

it seems to me, with that approach – we don’t instigate a “us VS them” situation, or “site vs site” situation – it’s back to being a normal contest, only difference from previous contests is that 3 people can work on one car (which really has already happened itself in the past)

personally, I could go either way – but thinking strictly about the hobby and the community in general – I think handling this like any other contest is going to be the better solution…

then again I’m wrong alot :p

[betty.k]

yeah i must admit i am concerned about any ill feelings. i guess some of the younger crew want to treat it like a site war which is not my intention. i support the straight comp idea, with teams from anywhere, i just suggested the “vs” idea for a bit of fun. i forgot that some people may take it a little too seriously.
bilbo, sorry, didn’t read ya post properly!:blush: but ya still a half pint!:p:8ball:

[Aaron]

OK – as Cabo said guys a bit less us VS them and a bit more ‘friendly’ competition here 😉

I’ve dropped Cabo an e-mail so hopefully we can start laying out some concrete ideas between us.

I’ve had a chat with someoen about some prizes and things could be quite ‘good’ for the winning crowd 😉

A.

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Site Owner Guy.

[merc-blue]

lol sorry bout that cabo but it gets annoyin all these noobs askin how 2 make it go faster and not researching first… they buy a perfectio 4.2 and get a mosfet pcb n think they have the fastest BCG out there.. AS IF.. i just get annoyed at them not trying ne thing new.. we have a few here but there r more on RCMOD.COM than anywere. bitpimps arent 2 bad.. lol shouldnt be burning bridges here should i

[betty.k]

hey now just remember we all started with no knowledge about these things, even you! and there’s no such thing as stupid questions about bits and modding. this and other forums are exactly where questions like that are asked and answered.

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shouldnt be burning bridges here should i

some people might think this is an unresearched and stupid question:8ball:

[BilboFOL]

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bilbo, sorry, didn’t read ya post properly!:blush: but ya still a half pint!:p:8ball:

I’m a Hobbit (or Halfling if you must), get it right:).
No problems, I’ve been called worse.
Just don’t call the Hobbits late for dinner, they get testy when not fed regularly.

Logistically I would think teams should be based in one country or the other, that way cars aren’t being sent from Germany to USA to Australia for the teams to work on.

[Evo]

i generally think that is a great idea with some “overseas” challenge.

I saw that DT mentioned Denmark in one of his previous threads, so i thought i might as well be a part of it.

I just dont think that there shall be a limited number of team from each country/continent.

I dont think that there will be a huge number of entries if you say that any country can compete.

3 teammembers per team. Teammembers must be from the same country.

In my opinion that would be the best.

/Evo

[betty.k]

g,day evo! denmark? aww bugger, everyone knows you guys are tttt kings, we wouldn’t stand a chance!:D 3 per team is a good number, i thought we could divide it up into body, chassis, and electronics. i thought having team members from around the globe would be a unifying experience, but i understand the logistics are a little tricky if not risky, stuff lost/damaged in transit. i originally was hoping for a friendly us vs them comp, but some people may take it too far. i’d love to see this come together as a friendly worldwide contest:8ball:

[ph2t]

I’m happy to go either way with this one, be it teams based on location or site based teams.

there are pros and cons of each……I don’t think you would need to limit each team members scope of work to just the three major areas (electronics, shell, chassis), as long as each entry has a list accompaning it as to what each team member did that should be cool….

I’m any mod from any site want’s to PM me I’ll be happy to contribute to the prize pool, if we indeed end up having one :approve:.

ph2t.

[Evo]

Yes Denmark representing.:D

TTTT kings? Denmark?

I might have a team worked out now. And so far it will only be one:)

How should the entries be err.. judged?
Shall we split it up in categories?

/Evo

[Aaron]

That’s where things get a little difficult.

If we use a “Poll” system it can be manipulated.
If Site members all get one vote then the site with the most active member base will win.
If we have a judging panel then the judges either work from pics, or touch and feel the cars increasing the cost on entering.

A.

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Site Owner Guy.

[Evo]

How about that each team judges eachother? You cannot wote on ur own team.

You will be judged in different categories, and in each category you’ll get lets say 1 – 10 points.

/Evo

[twizm]

merc, dont bash noobs for asking questions like that, its what keeps the forums alive. new members will drop in and ask a question like that, and if they get friendly assistance, theyll come back, sometimes with tips of their own and it generally builds a stronger community. and on the topic of trying something new, this whole thread is about trying something new, and theyre only tiny cars, theres only so much you can do to them before it starts getting impractical or impossible.

and dont be so quick to knock n00bs on not trying anything new, because most of your creations are just faster variations of things people have already done (see: betty k’s full suspension mod, who ever did the 1st dual motor here [thinking bren123??]), which you usually ask ‘how can i get it faster?’

theres alot more to bits and RC in general than speed merc, and n00bs will learn it in time, in the mean time just let it go man, this community is a great asset to the hobby, and if it didnt exist because no one helped the n00bs, there wouldnt be the competitive modifications and expansions we all thrive on.

theres alot more to say on this matter, and i dont want to derail this thread anymore than i already have.

on topic: looking forward to seeing this competition go ahead fellas, should be interesting.

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