mr01 h plates, what s available?

[betty.k]

i m really happy with the properties of the stock plastic h plate, but i m sure it s gonna break soon enough. i ve found that even with the thinnest carbon fibre one it s still too stiff in the vertical motion. lotsa roll though. so is there any really flexy cf h plates around? and what s the deal with those o plates?:8ball:

[ken_wyleung]

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i’m really happy with the properties of the stock plastic h plate, but i’m sure it’s gonna break soon enough. i’ve found that even with the thinnest carbon fibre one it’s still too stiff in the vertical motion. lotsa roll though. so is there any really flexy cf h plates around? and what’s the deal with those o plates?:8ball:

You want Kyosho one or other band?
I have bold.:D

[betty.k]

i’m not fussed about the brand, just so long as it’s not total rubbish. from what i can gather, the o plates offer more movement than an h plate. and after experimenting with various designs on the suspension bits i’ve concluded that an o plate is probably what i’m after. i want something that allows up/down flex like a stock kyosho plastic h plate, and good roll flex so that the shocks are doing most of the suspension work, not the h plate. and i want it to be carbon fibre for longevity. i’ve found the stiff carbon fibre ones good on nice even surfaces, but out on the road if i was to scale it up it’s the equivalent of driving on cobble stones. so sensitive suspension is important to me for handling and keeping all 4 tyres on the ground.:8ball:

[kevsta]

I’m also running the stock plate but have roll shocks and rear friction damper/spring to stop the rear wheels hopping. They work well and probably reduce the chances of the stock plate from breaking. Also, the stock plate when flexed will return back to its original shape not like some after market cf h-plates that I have.

From reading the CF O plate doesn’t offer as much flex as the fibreglass one.

[ken_wyleung]

MSN me, I let you know the price!

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i’m not fussed about the brand, just so long as it’s not total rubbish. from what i can gather, the o plates offer more movement than an h plate. and after experimenting with various designs on the suspension bits i’ve concluded that an o plate is probably what i’m after. i want something that allows up/down flex like a stock kyosho plastic h plate, and good roll flex so that the shocks are doing most of the suspension work, not the h plate. and i want it to be carbon fibre for longevity. i’ve found the stiff carbon fibre ones good on nice even surfaces, but out on the road if i was to scale it up it’s the equivalent of driving on cobble stones. so sensitive suspension is important to me for handling and keeping all 4 tyres on the ground.:8ball:

[peteWah]

The O plate replaces the rear setup on your car i.e Roll shocks and rear friction damper sets are no longer required because the O plate takes over…
I think at most you can use the rear friction damper set
But this is something that has been quoted to me, im just repeating it so correct me if im wrong…

[dgs73]

quoting me thee Pete, sort of. The O plate I had on the rear of my GTR was very stiff, but like you say I did not need to use either roll or friction shocks with the O plate in place of the H plate. The friction shock would still do some work, but I found the roll shocks were not necessary. Ken; does this mean you have access to O plates?!? mmmm yes please…!!

[TallduDe]

didnt kevsta use one on sunday?

he said he kept on spining out still, i think he was still using a rear roll shocks could that have affected the handling?

[bithed]

…That ‘O’ plate came from the crew over @ http://mini-zracer.com/ 🙂

[kevsta]

Yeah I was using the G-10 O-Plate with roll shocks and yes I got it from where bithed says. They have extremely good service and prompt delivery there. I’d definitely be shopping there again.

I was having left spin outs with it so I changed back to the stock plate during the race. With the O-plate in used, the spur side of the diff is slightly lower than the other side which is probably causing my spin outs. Time for a few washers I think…

[bithed]

…KEVSTA…all due respect to my boys @ racer.com but check with me first if you need parts 🙂

[bithed]

BTW i STILL cant believe that DGS snapped that O plate…It cam e new from the staes…did some laps in Japan and got broken in Australia…

[dgs73]

mate that car’s got bigger balls than me… hehehe. Have to get another two I guess. I was warned by Jamie ages ago that i’d go through the carbon plates. At least it lasted a few months…

[betty.k]

well i found what i want and more!

http://www.megatech.com/results_hop_up2.php?hidden=&hopup=KYOSHO

they got craploads of different h plates, no o plates. but they got long h plates which is what i’m really after. my theory is mount the h plate in the short wheelbase position and have a longer h plate. this will allow a lot more flex than a short one. as i’ve said, i want to factor the hplate out of the equation and let the shocks do the work.
and i know i’ve done a bad bad thing by posting this page, scroll down into carbon fibre ($)and alloy ($$$) heaven!!!!:8ball:

[dgs73]

are’nt those long plates for extending the wheel base beyond the norm? (ie. to mount model shells, etc.) Saw those crappy steel H plates down the bottom too… Let us know how that idea of yours goes, i’d like to know of any other advantages if I may…

[Jowlz]

my friend has a dodge coronet rt. he also has a model kit thats a little long for an xmod so i imagine one of those long h-plates might make it fit on a z.

Edited by – Jowlz on 09 June 2004 09:41:11

[dgs73]

looks like the method of extending an Xmods wheel base would be a little more technical than adding an H plate… those four screws on the rear underside are a little too far apart to accommodate an H plate without some serious modifications. I actually prefer the current suspension setup, but the rear is a little to stiff

[betty.k]

no sweat, prolly be a while before i get one of those extended h plates, but for now i’m using the skinny cf h plate and i ground off the knob on that doohicky that goes between the h plate and chassis. now it can flex up and down alot easier and i’m using the softest spring on the rear shock. i’ve got the megatech triple alloy shockset which i think works well (it’s my first so nothing to compare to) and when greased up offer some damping, more important than the spring i think. if i didn’t find this shockset then my setup would be thin cf h plate, oil damped roll shocks with med – hard springs, oil damped rear shock with no spring. the h plate offers plenty of spring on it’s own, damping it will reduce the “pogo stick” effect.:8ball:

Edited by – betty.k on 09 June 2004 09:47:24

[dgs73]

that effect I think (with mine anyway) has to be due to the rear suspension setup. How come the rear wheels camber in their movement? Really stuffs up traction I think

[betty.k]

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that effect I think (with mine anyway) has to be due to the rear suspension setup. How come the rear wheels camber in their movement? Really stuffs up traction I think

i agree, that’s why i chose the stiff springs for the rollshocks. in a perfect world i’d want a 2 stage rollshock that has a bit of stiction, so it only moves with a bigger bump such as an air spring with a stiff coil spring to take care of minor high frequency bumps. i don’t think there’s any air sprung shocks at this scale and i aint even gonna think about trying to make one so i’ll persist with my springs:8ball:

[bithed]

…betty i know exactly what you mean…try limiting the spring somehow…you get spacers with that unit…didnt work too bad on the monster…

[z-beam]

betty, i just made my own h-plate. super flexi too. have you had a go at making your own yet using your bit suspension ideas?

my first one was waaay too stiff, the plastic was too thick. but the second one is made from the packaging of a 20 pack of eveready batteries.

[kevsta]

Yeah what about using the plastic from a old credit card or and ice cream container.

At the hardware store you can buy those small sheets of brass or copper – can’t remember the material but its bronze coloured – could do well for a metal h-plate. (should be in the same section where you find piano wire and small sized metal tubing).

Didn’t someone also use the sliding metal protective cover of a 3.5 inch floppy disk to create a metal h-plate ?

Edited by – kevsta on 11 June 2004 10:40:43

[betty.k]

good work z boy! i’ll be experimenting with h plates soon, but i’ll wait til i get a couple of other projects done first. and i’ll try to bust the ones i’ve got first, nothing like desperation to provide inspiration:8ball:

[z-beam]

it seems the old days of aussie inventiveness are back. the dificulty of getting parts for these beasts quickly and cheaply are great incentives to have a go.

custom h-plates from recycled packaging must only be the start…

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