Can you drift – I mean really drift a Z.

[kevsta]

As the subject says, can you really drift or do you simply imagine re runs of initial-d and say yep – I know how to do that.

I have yet to see a full on drift without spinning out of control. I m assuming that drifting is rear sideways with front wheels pointing into the direction that the vehicle is moving in or around a turn.

I can drift in need 4 speed underground, but haven t been able to do it properly with a z.

Please share your thoughts on this and some tips would be nice.:shock:
:smiley16:

[dgs73]

:smiley16:oh yeah… as for NFS-U, drifting is the meat and veg og the game, it seems… that an bloody drags… ugh. but onto your topic; we need Pete, Josh and maybe Tallie for this… they have all seen my silver GTR slide sideways up to 4 feet. This was achieved (or at least aided, I dont know how it happens) by; soft front/rear springs, no front stabilizer (true independant suspension; soft cut down springs directly onto kingpins over 1 degree camber knuckles), da Dash + 12 x fets, dry bearings and some quick work with the throttle/accelerator. Will show you with the XaNaVi on Sunday, as it seems to be doing the same sort of slides, but shorter. And yes, all wheels are sliding sideways. With the GTR I tend to keep correcting the front end so it will still and not grab suddenly. I put it down to the chassis weight (bring scales; i’ll not post it here), alloy at the front and rear, and no rear suspension to save the extra weight. We’ll can catch some on video and post it up. Oh, and last thing; no soft tires!!

[peteWah]

We came we saw, it drifts its ass:D]:D:smiley2:
Its all true:smiley2:
Theres nothing more i can say dave you just about covered it M8
:):):smiley2:

[TallduDe]

yep ive seen the gtr with the dash drift, was cool.

dgs seems to do little drifts in his other z aswell.

all ive managed to do is slide the rear slightly on hard turns.

would be a different story if we had a better surface like that carpet/matt stuff.

[dgs73]

yeah that’s right, the XaNi does drift, but nowhere near as well as its older brother… as soon as the new donk goes in, i’ll teach you all… lol

[kevsta]

Can’t wait. I want to drift the porsche if it is at all possible especially around a track of some sort.

[betty.k]

practice, practice, practice!:8ball:

[leonli17]

dgs, put drift tires onto ur MRS4 or XMOD then see how they drift! they are really eyecandies when they drift(show off). lol

[dgs73]

the rs4 drifts without me even trying… as for the Xmod I dont think I could be bothered to get it going that fast…

[betty.k]

come on!! the best drifting is nice and slow! nothing cooler than hearing the motor top out while the car crawls along sideways!:8ball:

[dgs73]

Xmods crawl anyway… nah, sticking to the Zs for sure… plus, with the a.w.d. me thinks the Xmod would’nt slide as easy anyway

[TallduDe]

put some oil on the courts this sunday and we’ll see some drifting! LOL

[betty.k]

i gotta bring you up again dgs! awd is the pinnacle of drifting, i swear all you need to do is watch a 4wd drifter for 5 seconds and you’ll know what i mean. i used to think rear wd was the drift setup of choice. but after watching panda’a 1:10 4wd slipping around i stand corrected. rear wd for drifting usually leads to uncontrollable spins, whereas a 4wd can be controlled, point the front wheels where you wanna go and it does!:8ball:

[dgs73]

not when yo’re car’s as slow as an Xmod mate… Ijust find despite the rear wheel drive my old Z drifts better.:D

[dgs73]

and furthermore, as I said my Micro RS4 drifts easy as, so i’m not disagreeing. My point; if you’ve got the speed, then it’ll work. Xmods DO NOT

[betty.k]

i’ll take that bet!! leon, buy an xmod!!:D:8ball:

[dgs73]

back to what you said concerning 1:10 drifts: now I can put this easier… The Zs drift is prefered by me due to the fact you have to work a little harder to control the drift, whereas (and I quote!! lol) ‘a 4wd can be controlled, point the front’ etc. etc. Well, the satisfaction that comes from drifting a car that is rear wheel drive could never match doing the same with an a.w.d. car, for me anyway. Like I said earlier, my HPI drifts as far as my old Z (4 feet for those you who missed it), but i’m nowhere near as impressed, as it’s so easy to do. If I sound like im repeating myself then you’ve got my point. I had it better put before, but when I wnet to post it, there was issues. Oh, and Josh; a small sideways hop of rear wheels does not a drift make!!!:smiley2:

[betty.k]

you got a point. instant fun for bad drivers like me can be found in a 4wd. but succesful drifting with rwd is trickier, and requires more skill. i’m trying to get better at drifting the wanna z, just practice lots!

sorry if i’m sounding stroppy, just up for a good argument today!!:D:8ball:

[dgs73]

no biggie, im not in the best of moods either… bloody stainless steel is a s**t to work with… like you said on the other page though (and above); practice! When you pull it off you’ll be stoked

[betty.k]

must be something in the aussie air today! i’ll see ya behind the shelter sheds at 3:30. you goin down!!:D:8ball:

[dgs73]

yea bring all ya boyz we’ll stomp yaz!!! lol

[demonajy]

Not sure if this is a mini-z but its doing some nice drifting!
http://members.iinet.net.au/~demonjay/drift/rc%20initial%20d%20ae86%20yodo%20drifts.mov

[Super Max Power]

I am not sure what is cooler the drift or the music – maybe a poll is in order…

[leonli17]

One point, if u just want to play drifting, use drift tires which u can make them urself(otherwise u gonna trade the hard tires for fun which is still cool). If u have the XMOD with PVC tires like the 1/10, u can drift it(just for fun)since no traction and it won’t spin out if u practise more, u just keep the acclerator open all through a corner without counter steering then u get the fastest corner speed(that’s what i’ve been practise with my MRS4) and it can drift a few metres if i go full speed so it’s fun. i’ll try to get some hard tires onto my Z and play around see how it is.

[peteWah]

That vid is cool but the music is like a corney porn style…

[dgs73]

did’nt work for me… what’s I miss Pete? Was it a Z? leonli17; off topic a bit, but what setup you got on your RS4? I’m only running the stock motor w/ 8tooth pinion (the only pinion I got in the set, but have ordered the full set in s/s) and only have soft tires, so every run i’m pretty much shredding them down the centre at the rear due to the accel. off the mark. May dial down the pot. on the speedy to deal with that

[leonli17]

8 tooth pinion is perfect for drifting if u only have 4cell, but it’s best with 6cell and 9t. i made plastic wheels myself(imitate 1/10) and it drift really well and fast.

[dgs73]

i’m running a 7 cell pack with the 8t (sorry, mentioned that b4!), so it’s got heaps of pickup. Cant wait till these pinions show up, going straight to the 13 tooth…

[leonli17]

nice! 7cell with a 11t is better. u want a good accleration, but the stock motor is really torquy so nothin to worry about. oops, i think a bit off topic so we can start a new topic if u want.

[dgs73]

like I said it came with bugger all… had to make do with what I was sold, but have ordered pinions. More powerfum motor and another battery pack (this one probably 6 cell) some time down the track. Yeah, if you’re interested we’ll keep this going elsewhere…

[Jowlz]

im still not exactly sure what you people define as “drifting” but im pretty sure i got my xmod drifting pretty well. with rubber wheels even(the grippy kind). my original intentions were for a dragster but i just happened to get good handling lately as well. i really like my xmod a lot now.

[kevsta]

Download the video in demonajays email above. The car in that video is drifting…

[dgs73]

so was I on the weekend… hehehe… not very big slides but four wheelers all the same:smiley2:

[chino]

xmods do drift mine does it great. like a mini size yokomo drift car. micro rs4 and xmods are tha only micros i know that can drift.

setup.
awd
locked rear diff
neo mags 37t motor
hard tires

[merc-blue]

yeh a AWD xmod with bottle caps put oncer the wheels (use a bit of paper to pack it tight) will drift on the road same as a yokomo

[chino]

thas setup is for like waxed floors and stuff. im gonnah try tha bottle cap thing but i dont think ill hav enough traction to command tha drifts

[merc-blue]

just accel slowly… very very slowly

[chino]

maybe ill jus leave the pavment driftin to my rs4. the xmod will jus stay driftin in tha mall or slick tracks. still is a great pavment racer. my 4 cell hangs and beats mildly tuned micro rs4s at tha race track. and if u hav a xmod one of tha best things to do for it is to break in tha drive train. by puttin a crap motor in it. hook up direct power and let it run overnight lube bushings and moveing parts while running. it should roll like silk w/o tha motor instaled.
the restriction sux when u first get tha car new

[merc-blue]

check ur PMs chino

[dgs73]

i’m not playing the Xmods vs vMini Z any more. I know whick i prefer, and i’m sticking to it. Dare I say chino, that the only reason you can drift is (QUOTE!!) “IN THA MALL OR DRIFT TRACKS”, Ifound the same thing on my parents backroom floor, ie. any car’ll slide if the surface is slippery enough and the power’s high. S**t, I drift Bits then if that the case… Also, what setup are you (Xmod) and they (RS4) using if you’re beating them? Sorry ’bout all this, but my b.s. meter went skits… Out.

[chino]

hey, calm down spanky, main reson why xmods do better drifts is with tha help of 4wd. Zs how ever can drift but takes a whole lot of practice and skill. but most of tha time jus spinout everywhere. i drift bits? i found that almost imposibble. maybe a good swing of the rear and thas about it.

most of tha rs4s i race belong to newbie of tha rc world so there mod are pretty mild. mods consist of rtr micros with either big blocks or hpi 45t motors, most with 6 cell packs. wich are pretty fast.

my xmods set up is.
awd
ball barings
semi locked ball diff in tha front
CF drivshaft
gear diff rear
11 tooth pinion
wht bevel
custom plasma dash(35turn, neo mags, ball barings, large comm)
2×2 fet stack
4 cell wich i kan choose to swich to 6 or 2 li ions

main reason i keep up and win sumtimes even with 4 cell. is cus stock front diffs on rs4 arent to good for stability on the smooth road corse pavment at our local rc racetrack. they like to loose conrol and spin on turns. th guys that dont spin have to really slowdown. as me me where i could floor it most tha time plus with a smaller car comes wider lanes.

so if ur “BS meter” is kickin let it. i dont care. im jus here to share my insite, wut i know and learn about bits. u should of ask questions bfore u got ur panties ina knot. with all ur 100s of dallors woth of rcs u own, one would think ur would be pretty cool since most guys wid rcs are. but i guess i wus wrong. jus another closed mind sh*t talkin knowit all. trust ur on ina million. ur kind of a stiff for being a sponser for a pretty koo rc board.

BTW: it wusnt a xmods vs z thing. it wus about drifting. im sure u know wut that is.

so yah anyways thnx merc and the few other fo bein koo.

Edited by – chino on 15 June 2004 10:56:36

[kevsta]

Hey dude,

Whats better for drifting, hpi micro rs4 or xray m18 ? Also, which one is of better quality and has a wider range for hot up parts.

Thanks.

[dgs73]

chino; calm down dood… take a pill… bottom line, I meant it’s easy to drift a car on polished/highly smooth surfaces… yes, the addition of an a.w.d. helps drifts (for the sacrifice of turning circle), but it was your claim of Xmod near stock beating RS4s that I found hard to swallow… now i’m aware the HPIs are near stock form too, the chance is there. As for my not asking questions, you wanna read my last post ahgain mate? You’ll find what I asked. I am also here to share insite. As for name calling… well… whatever dood. When you fall off your high horse, answer my questions

[chino]

im not to sur about tha xray but i bet it can. tha rs4 more option on upgrades since the xray jus came out. theres xrays that race out here do great. tha independant suspention helps alot with stablity. after corner exit speed are faster with a micro. xrays are limited to 180 size motors from wut i know so far but there should be away to mout 280s – 300 size motors. micros are more open to upgrades from 180 – 540 size motors and more cells. xrays are limited to 5cell, unless u pile more of tha existing but it would make one side heavier than tha other. xray hav a silid drive shaft that means no belt to catch dirt bind up or get stuck. 2 frens of mine hav xrays, theyre great if u wan a good handling reliable fast car to hav fun with. but if ur planin on heavy modding id go with mrs4. but do concider duratraxx micro street force, it alot cheaper for a rtr and most parts are exchangable with mrs4. and tha quality is great. theres a garantie on all tha plastic its made of. im planin to get one my self. i luv the suspention and battery configuiration. and it does feel like its biult a lil better than my mrs4

[dgs73]

availability of parts for both in Australia will need to be brought into account… costs of importing, etc. Wanna buy an HPI Kevsta?!? lol
chino; question for you; running 7 cell at the mo, was keen to drop a certain 540 donk upside, that’ll need a bigger motor mount to accommodate, yes? (newish to HPI gear)

[chino]

wich question? i did mention set up of tha cars. i see how sumone like u would think xmods suck by owning one ur self, cus a new xmod rite out tha box does suck. simple fet upgrade and a hot motor changes all that. mixing bevels and pinions makes a huge difference too. these car so much potentential from wut i know no one on this board knows about. i hav one car thas jus waiting on cells tha will destroy any rs4 with a 300 motor or smaller. and before u listen to ur “bs meter” again ask how. only if ur intrested

[dgs73]

funnily enough, my X is modded, but not much… a.w.d., bearings, sring & tie rod set (med. springs, 1.5 degree toe in rod), stage 2 motor set (11 tooth pinion and motor installed… I think it’s the yellow one), tyre upgrade (treaded hard installed.) So, it’s not too slow, but I think a v12 + fets may just help the cause. I (like some of my fellow Aussies) have a very weird sense of humour. I was not trying to rev you up, I ‘spose it was an agressive disagreement. BS meter has since been shorted out with a screwdriver… also, when you say mixing bevels and pinions, do you mean, say, 12 tooth motor with, say, the yellow or white bevel gear? Keeen to know more about this…
Ok. my crappy rs4 still has the stock 180 (hard wired to the speed contoller; really… will deal with this), was keen to throw a 540 at it. (Got the speedie to deal with it). Ok im interested

[jamiekulhanek]

Want ur Xmod steering fixed dave??

[dgs73]

struth mate… with all the things you do to my cars, i’ve got an idea… i’ll move to Tassie… yeah mate, that’d be sweet. I’ll send it down with the Torque tuned, dunno when though will be soon

[chino]

there is this thing called a reg mod. it basicly a 5v voltage regulator hooked up to tha board. wut it does is regulates the voltage goin to tha main IC (IC1) so it doesnt burn it. while tha drive fets/motor get full power. up to 30v. or wut ever tha reg u use kan handle. thas one of tha main things done to tha car. other mods consist of:
hpi 45t motor
awd
raised motor custum motor mount
wht bevel gear
21 tooth pinion
modified blue bevel as my new pinion
2×2 fet stacks (drive and steering)
all wires changed to speaker wires (stock wires suk!)
4 lions AA size cells (14.4v) steady
car is practicly done. jus waiting on cells
seems like my album isnt workin rite now (link below) but theres pics there

wut i mean about mixing pinions and bevels, is like useing a 10 tooth pinion with a wht stock bevel gear (great combo btw) w/o a small mod u wuldnt be able to this becuz of a bad gear mesh. heres tha fix, cut small pieces off tha end of a pen ink tube. thoes will be ur new spacers. used between the motor mount and chassie around tha screw. this raises the motor for a good gear mesh. if u ever plan to change ur motor on the rs4. use that 180 in ur xmod. it will give way better torque and acceleration

[dgs73]

More than anything else i’m interested in shaving weight off the thing, it’s such a overweight bugger! The off-white front and rear peices on top of the chassis will be first to go. And Jamie; that aluminium tubing you asked about – we have it. You wanna re-do your drive shaft as well?

[chino]

most ppl here jus change a a carbonfiber drivshaft. and alot off ppl hav changed to CF chassies. when i find links i will post them. but honestly i dont think its really worth it unless u really gonnah do sum majoir moddin like diffrent types of cells or electrinics. th are a few tha has swaped out tha xmods electrinics for minix or miniz electronics

[jamiekulhanek]

Carbon fibre ain’t that easy to source in tubular form, and i cbf getting it from merika, so alu pipe is the next best thing.

DGS i’d love some pipe!

[dgs73]

no worries mate. i’ll get on it tomorrow. How long a piece you want?

[chino]

CF shafts has been more common. i would like a aluminum one.

well heres ones that sells them. a lil pricie there i think.
http://xmodspeed.com/product_susp.htm

not too good of a pic but if i find a link wid a better pic ill post it soon

[jamiekulhanek]

I cbf buying crap from the states chino

Dave, a few lengths that are a tad longer than the stock ones would be great!

[dgs73]

no worries mate… on the way soon. I’ll put em in with your Xmod body kit

[dgs73]

no worries mate… on the way soon. I’ll put em in with your Xmod body kit

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