Who uses Macs

[peteWah]

I guess the majority of people on this site would be a pc user:dead:
So who here uses a mac…
G3 is the mac i use:p Ive never been able to understand pc’s for the life of me i mean 3 buttons on a mouse, whats that all about..
I will chalange anyone who says a mac sucks :p:p:p
and when i get a G5 it will happlie eat your PC’s (off crap) for dinner not that my G3 cant already :smiley2: so let the debate begin….
:D:D:smiley2:

[dgs73]

mac sucks.:smiley2:hehehe
had to say it just to wind you up… My guess is anyone who does’nt want to donate dollars to Bill Gates’ retirement fund uses a mac.

[PandaBear]

G5 is an impressive piece of kit… eg NINE fans!
All computer (?) controlled, all rotating lazily
unless the CPUs are asked to do some serious
computation, then they might speed up as more
heat is generated under load.

Case is designed for ultimate air throughflow,
open at the front (its one big grille) and open
at the back… with a perspex panel (can’t see it)
that shapes the airflow through the G5 heatsinks.

No back pressure + ballbearing fans = no noise!

Nearly as cute as G3 Cube. :blush:

What?? You want to switch it on & use it?? :clown:

But these days, a PC can do everything a Mac can.
Sorry… Mac fan since 1984 and Apple freak since
1979 but one’s gotta face the true facts.
Any computer is just another biz tool.

[Jowlz]

macs are the worst american thing you can buy. pcs are taiwanese at least dude.

seriously tho they do make quality hardware that is overpriced. and the lack of software is kind of pointless.

so unless you are a whiney black turtleneck wearing art f4g, id go with a pc which will give you close to the same performance for 1/3 the price.

their laptops are made well tho. and their lcds.

[PandaBear]

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…seriously tho they do make quality hardware that is overpriced. and the lack of software is kind of pointless.

so unless you are a whiney black turtleneck wearing art f4g, id go with a pc which will give you close to the same performance for 1/3 the price.

hmm… sounds like its coming from someone who has little idea
what a Mac does, let alone how much one costs… :smiley2:

Not gunna be a “Mac-evangelist” like Guy Kawasaki, but relaly
unless you need a Mac you’re probably better off with a PC. :smiley16:

Macs are a premium product, they’re not necessarily targetted at
the “average” user let alone the home/personal user on a budget.

Paying for the “Mac Advantage”.. well, imho its probably about
20-30% above a *comparable* PC from a big-name vendor.
Don’t compare to your sunday market beige boxes… :dead:
Do remember the top-of-range G5 has dual processors, how often
do you see twin-P4xeons etc except built to special order? 👿

But one thing you can’t take away from Apple… their DESIGN is
simply FANTASTIC, no doubts about that. Even from early days,
everything from the Mac Plus, SE, SE/30, II, IIx to the iMac
there’s always something “wow” about them.

Apple’s main advantage is that they control the OS as well as h/w,
its not 2 separate companies not knowing what the other is doing.
The Mac OS is highly polished and very reliable… and if you’re
doing something that’s mission critical, its worth paying extra for.

Apple is a niche player in that respect, and all better for it.
They have ~10% of the computer market and really don’t care what
the other 90% think of them. That is a GOOD thing! 😀
(when a PC company tries to be everything to everyone, it’ll start
going downhill and fast. Remember “International Business Machines”?)

As for *my* #1 reason NOT to buy a new Mac today??
… 20% of Apple is OWNED BY MICROSOFT!!! :dead::shock::dead:

[peteWah]

Not to mention the Mac only uses one operating system unlike a pc which is insecure floating windows over dos thats why you have to over clock you coms cause they cant handle it A
Jowlz, Macs are the 3rd biggest selling computer on the world market under hp or compaq or dell, I cant remember…
Apple dont make a crap computer just expensive one, I agree…
G5 has 2 times 2gig processing power….
and everything else panda said, Pur’s like a kitten, And then theres i tunes made on mac for windows and mac and get this, apple holds over 75% of the market share for music downloads and thats pc and mac users…
Windows was stollen from apple years ago
thanks to Bill gates. (dirty bugger)
I think the last 2 times Bill has gone to launch his new operating system
its died in the arse im not certain on years but 2000 was one and i think the latest version :p
Steve jobs is the master now not Bill gates…
sorry PC users :p:p:p

[peteWah]

Yes and no panda bear, Seems you are pro mac and well GOOD
Multi tasking is the word you are looking for i think, effotless at that…
I still have a Plus, SE/30, IIci, IIfx, Quadra800
2 power pc 8100/100……
2 power pc 8500/150 which are still in use…
A G3 ibook 12inch and a G3 tower…. yeah
I think i might turn my Plus into a fish tank, have seen it once before but hay i would do the same to a G3 cube in about 10 years

I will stick with mac anyday of the week
:D:D:smiley2:

[betty.k]

i’ve never owned any sort of computer, but the tool of choice for serious audio production was always a mac. i only ever use a few programs and i’ve never clogged it up with games or useless novelties. but as a recent pc user i must say xp professional has been easier to get used to than the previous windoze os’s.:8ball:

[Jowlz]

ok comparing a mac to a compaq,dell,ibm whatever is like comparing a 3,000$ mountain bike to a huffy.

pre built store bought computers are horrible and thats exactly why windows has such a horrible stigma. so ya if you want an overpriced(tho not as overpriced as macs) computer that is going to give you problems then yes get a dell or Horse Poop.

and bruce a dual p4 could be built for under a grand(compared to 3grand for a comparable g5).

bruce wrote:

but relaly
unless you need a Mac you’re probably better off with a PC.

i would agree with this if we were living in 1992 still but we aint. surprise surprise pcs handle graphics pretty damn well now. and betty. pcs hanle audio as well:clown:.

get this i built my new pc a month ago and it has yet to totally crash out on me. and it has 4 fans in it(i could put another 5 to be like steve jobs if i wanted) and they are speed controlled by the motherboard just like the crapintrash.

again: if you have way too much $$ to know what to do with go buy a mac and a few sun boxes and ship them to me and ill use the hell out of them.

if you are on a budget, http://www.newegg.com and build yourself a good one for way less.

Edited by – Jowlz on 30 April 2004 02:33:05

[PandaBear]

Trouble with PCs are… they’re so boring. 🙁
Just another beige/black/silver box, there isn’t
much excitement living/working with one. Everytime
I’ve gone out to buy a new one is when the old one
has finally died… :blush:

But everytime I walk past the Apple shop, I always
peek in thru the windows. (hahaha, irony! :p )

Gee Mr Wah, you’ve got a fair few platinum boxes
there… just accumulating or collecting?? 🙂

But the only memorable one you’ve got is the IIfx,
that thing is a BEAST of its time yeah!! 1987!

For a serious vintage Mac collector, I’d choose:
-the original Mac 128k from 1984
-the Mac Portable 1987
-SE/30
-IIfx
-Mac LC
-Colour Classic
-PowerMac 900
-G3 Cube
-Blue G3

If I only had the space, I’d go hunt down:
][+
][e
][c definitely!!
//gs

Ahh, the great old days of computing! 😀

[Jowlz]

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i dont care what my tower looks like really but i put one of these together for a client a while back.

on top of having 16 blue leds in it, it is a good case. including power supply and videocard fans i think it has 6 in it. the little lcd panel displays ambient temperature inside the case. all that crap is overkill and doesnt make your computer run better. so if you wana excuse the extra grand you just payed becuase its got a pretty shiny white lexan case then go ahead.

[PandaBear]

Somehow I don’t think you get the concept of a “classic” design. 🙁

But definitely adding blue LEDs to anything don’t make it instantly classy.

5 yrs down the track you’ll realise just how sad it really is… whilst the Titanium Powerbook and the LCD screen iMac will still be key design breakthroughs.

Unfortunately there’s quite a few industries being overrun by the “blue LED brigade”, not least of which being BMW… Wonder if they realise how ugly their latest cars really are.

[Jowlz]

well my philosophy is that computers are a “tool”

would you rather have a $3 dollar screwdriver or a $30 screwdriver that has a neat looking handle?

if i want art it will hang on my wall, or race on my floor 🙂

[jamiekulhanek]

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BMW… Wonder if they realise how ugly their latest cars really are.

I agree, their cars are all starting to get a wide ‘snout’, even the Formula 1 car!

Macs….good machines, i did some graphics/multimedia work on them last year, but ive been brought up with PC’s.

[PandaBear]

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well my philosophy is that computers are a “tool”

Yep. Like I said earlier… :smiley2:

My Mac envy grows from the time noone else but MacOS users knew
what “PhotoShop” was, nor what it could do. And I also did a bit
of desktop publishing and 15 yrs ago nothing could touch a Mac.
Even a tiny little SE/30 with a 9″ B&W screen…! :smiley16:

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would you rather have a $3 dollar screwdriver or a $30 screwdriver that has a neat looking handle?

These days I’m happy to pay $30 (and more) for good tools always, they are a worthwhile investment – learnt that the HARD way. 👿
Cheap tools never last long, most won’t even build 1 RC car.
Worst of all they damage your screw heads and when Ti hardware
can cost $2 a piece, a $30 tool is a no-brainer.

Naturally one *never* lends good tools out! :p

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if i want art it will hang on my wall, or race on my floor 🙂

Or in my case, Both!

[betty.k]

my reason for choosing mac is familiarity. whenever i’ve used a computer it’s mostly been a mac so i’m used to it. i currently use an old apple monitor (green phosphor! night vision!) with my wireless cam as it has a video input! and i’ve got a “g2” power mac in the shed i plan on reviving:p:8ball:

[PandaBear]

oh yeah…

Anyone have a use for a Mac IIsi??

Complete with Apple keyboard, Apple Trinitron
monitor, mouse, all manuals, all *boxes* (!!),
all cables, even a HP Deskwriter printer with
a brandnew sealed $70 cartridge…

It’ll even run PhotoShop! 🙂

Works perfectly but don’t have need to use it
anymore these days so it just sits there blatantly
reminding me I paid $9k for the bundle when new. blackeye:

Best offer secures! :clown::D

[Jowlz]

ill trade yo a bb gun.

[peteWah]

The IIfx was a good machine panda in its hay day
It ought to be for the price my dad paid for it,
Now its the biggest paper wait we own, It still ticks but not in use and not plugged in (i wonder why) Hah
For a mere 18,000 dollars at the time S$#T you not 👿

I forgot to mention that i also have a IIsi and a performer series computer, It was the only lemon mac we have owned dont remember the number AND AND wait for it my Apple IIc which i still have games for and i still have fun playing them too

:p:p:p

Edited by – peteWah on 30 April 2004 13:19:04

[PandaBear]

IIc was cute and another Apple 1st… although I
never quite got the ‘portability’ idea. Really,
like its useless without the monitor unless you
had 2 monitors at both locations I guess..

One of my geek pals built himself an Apple “Desktop”.
As in standalone with real wood & nails!! :p
Then he installed a IIfx (68030 40MHz!!) mobo &
heavy duty PSU with about a dozen SCSI devices.
He had 1GB magneto-optical devices too… back
when we thought 300MB HDD “ya’ll never fill that”. :clown:

btw my Newton MessagePad still works great!! :smiley16:

(the nicad battery’s had it though… maybe I
should one day go re-cell it with NiMH AAAs)

[PandaBear]

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ill trade yo a bb gun.

You paying postage, btw. :p

[peteWah]

not sure about the ‘portability’ either Panda….

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IIc was cute and another Apple 1st… although I
never quite got the ‘portability’ idea. Really,
like its useless without the monitor unless you
had 2 monitors at both locations I guess..

You can connect a II/c to a tv just like you could for a texis instruments ti, do you remember the Ti,99 i think it was…

$18,000, Did that blow your mind or what, it also had 32bit addressing the fx did and the first mac to do so i think
we got the II/ci at the same time, Dont know how much it was and i dont want to know if you know what i mean…..:question::smiley2::smiley2::D

[Impreza]

Learnt on the old Apples, Used Macs in Uni, Then for years at work.. Have owned PC’s at home for years. Software availability/compatibility has kept me from the Mac at home:( Although I have talked a few ppl with the right apps into various Macs, I have also done the same for PC’s. I guess I have had the best of both worlds over the years. Used to hate setting up 3rd party printers on Macs:(, and have thought that Gates et al have done a poor job duplicating the latest Mac O/S’s over the years:shock:. I like aspects of both.

[PandaBear]

Apple copied the WIMP off Xerox PARC anyway,
so not as if they solely invented it. 👿

Anyone used a “Lisa” before?? I have… 🙂

Have even shared a room with an Apple III before.
Yeah, ‘3’. Apple’s answer to the IBM PC.
(then IBM brought out their “PCjr”)

btw not everyone paid full RRP for the IIfx.
Apple had an upgrade program for them, you could
go II -> IIx -> IIfx. If you didn’t mind reusing
the old case you could have a IIfx for half price
by just paying approx $4k for the mobo.

[Impreza]

Good old Palo Alto:) ethernet, GUI, mouse…Adobe.

I’ve used a III b4. Not sure about Lisa? Almost forgot about the PCjr.

Think X and Apple had a lawsuit or two over that and others?

Edited by – Impreza on 30 April 2004 16:41:41

[PandaBear]

Apple ]I[ was just a fancy tarted up ][e with
a separate keyboard and twin 5.25″s in a console.
It ran ProDOS which was later rehased into the
GSOS for the //gs (another great machine).

Lisa was the forerunner to Macintosh; had WIMP
and all that but no applications.

Apple learnt its lesson there and when they built
the Mac 128k they also issued MacWrite and MacPaint.
People could plug it in and actually do something.

But Apple’s fortunes really only took off when
they hooked up a Mac 512k to… the Laserwriter!!

[PandaBear]

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Almost forgot about the PCjr.

PCjr (with the mini Charlie Chaplin ads) came out
with a Cordless Keyboard!! 😯 Yeah, infrared!!

And today’s kiddies still think they’re so
‘modern’, haha… little do they know.

And when the 4 AAs in the keyboard died, IBM gave
you a curly cord you could plug in and keep working
too – jeez Big Blue thought about everything.

[jamiekulhanek]

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if i want art it will hang on my wall, or race on my floor 🙂

Or in my case, Both!

For anybody that doesn’t know, wills hangs his R/C’s on the wall….just like a painting!:D

[PandaBear]

What to do when run out of space? :clown:

Hung my zip drive up too the other day (2 ports
on the back + short cable = perfect hanging loop).
Regained some desk real estate.

[Impreza]

Big Blue should have locked into an O/S:) Panda, do you remember the company that had all the future braintrust when these things were just getting off the ground. I was thinking Corning for some reason?? Let me know if this rings a bell?

[Impreza]

Sorry, IBM should have had invested in an O/S.

[PandaBear]

Sorry no, ‘Corning’ don’t mean anything to me in
the PC sense… just the name of the silicones
company and the guys who make my glass frypans.

Another impressive PC “back then” was the
Commodore Amiga. It had most of the required
‘modern’ features even PC compatibility, had
adequate software and specialty amongst the
muso crowd too (good synth machine!).

Guess it was marketing & lousy company that killed it. blackeye:

[peteWah]

motorola are behind the chips in macs nowadays or is this not so…
Its been so long since i had a look…

[peteWah]

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Big Blue should have locked into an O/S:) Panda, do you remember the company that had all the future braintrust when these things were just getting off the ground. I was thinking Corning for some reason?? Let me know if this rings a bell?

Was it olavettei, However you spell it…

Do you remember the amiga that had i think a sega chip and took cartrige game packs :dead:

Edited by – peteWah on 24 July 2004 22:27:19

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