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These are custom tyres betty.k they have an ID of 16mm but i strech them over my 20mm wheels.
so they should fit.
:):approve::):approve:
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Actually Betty.k you will be perfect candidate to test these rubbers i will send them down when you PM me your address and you can get Ph2t over to run against you on the same surface using the foams then you can both swap, i think that is going to be the best comparison Head to Head.

Let me know !!!!!!!!!

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I have just got my hands on a few of these feed tyres i think the best bet is for you guys to test them as i already know they are superior to the foams.

Betty.k
The original comparison was not to prove wide or skinnier tyres creat the understeer, just to simply show that even with the grip of the wide foam tyres on the front it was not enough grip compared to the skinnier rubber tyres on back.
When i done the second test i did not get any understeer at all only a vibration in it’s steering which i think was only being caused by the contact surface area of the tyre being so great as all cars have skinny tyres on the front for steering.

I really do think you know what you are talking about betty.k i really do, so if PM me your address i will send some via post give me your wheel width and i will make some to that size.

What i am trying to say simply is……….

I feel that the skinnier size tyres in my custom rubbers all round are going to outhandle wider foams allround. As i have said grip is not a facter for these tyres it is going to be durability on rougher surfaces.

Betty.k please PM me you details and i will post them, and ph2t were have you been in all this discussion i still want you to test these aswell.

Edited by – takata on 26 January 2005 16:44:19

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Sorry i didn’t mean just the skyline shell i mean’t the whole 6 cell car COMPLETE.

thanks.

Edited by – takata on 25 January 2005 20:57:01

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Already saved you site as a favourite Dejan
and only one thing too say about that skyline fuckin sweet !!!!!!!!!!!! well two actually, do you sell these and if so how much ?, don’t scare me know!!

Takata

Edited by – takata on 25 January 2005 20:18:26

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ok car acted very strange repeated all processes and they are as follows.

result

launched with minimal wheel spin and minimal side ways movement.

TURNING

Turning at 10
Allowed the throttle to be increased to 50 – 60%
before the front tyres started to vibrate in losing traction but NEVER, even between 60 -80 %
did it understeer and lose its turning circle, then between 80 % and reaching full throttle the car started doing 360’s uncontrollably in either direction.

The process was repeated on 5 and the results were pretty much exactly the same percentage wise and yes between 90% – full throttle the car became the dokin donuts burnout van. 😀

Inconclusion again, yes i know that there are other factors to a loss of traction in the front wheels, but to understeer there must be a insufficient grip in the tyre to cause the car to try and go forward under acceleration rather than holding the car into a turn, just like oversteer there must be a lose of traction.

closing statement:
Even width of a tyre is not always relevent for good traction, composite is the main factor and with all motor sports they all are the same different composites for different surfaces and i feel that the tyres i have are the perfect composite for dusty smooth floors.

If you would like to test them for yourself betty k let me know. :):D:):D:)

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Just tested and put the rubber and foam head to head.
1 pair of the thin (9mm) Rubbers on rear and
1 pair of the gandini wide (12mm) foam tyres on the front.

Running with a stock motor, 6 toothed pinion gear and fully charged 850mha energizers.

Result
The car launched hard and straight ahead with no loss of traction and no movement at the rear.

Turning
CONTROLLER SET TO 10(tightest turning circle)

The car was in understeer with anything over 30% throttle.

CONTROLLER SET TO 5 (medium turning circle)

The car was in understeer with anything over 35 -40 % throttle.(and thats being generous with my analysis.)

Controller set on 0 is much to wider turning circle for my kitchen so this could not be tested.

In conclusion for there to be understeer at 30 – 40 % throttle over both controller settings, means there is less traction being held by the front tyres then the rubber tyres on the back.

Understeer (during acceleration) on any car is usually caused from there being a smaller surface area between the tyre and the ground, if the tyre on the front is thinner then on the back, but for me to have placed the thicker FOAM tyres on the front and thinner rubber tyres on the back i honestly thought that the car would not have understeered as easily as it did. And with using the 6T pinion gear
this would creat maximum acceleration for the z and the rubbers still provided perfect traction.

As i do not want to sound like i am putting the foam tyres down as i am not, i am simply just doing a comparison between the two, i purchased the foam tyres from ausmicro and i am definitly glad that i did, and do not think for one minute that i shouldn’t of, they are an excellent product and i suggest anybody to purchase them.

peace out:smiley16::smiley16: takata

Edited by – takata on 24 January 2005 20:31:27

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At what performance level is your mini z mocky, as more than one opinion is going to be helpful.

As the grip facter on slippery surfaces is not a problem, the main test is going to be durability of the tyres when they are on i hopped up cars on a surface such as a netball court which seems to be the favoured location for us mini z enthusists so it has to stand up to the torture that we can inflict.

To give you an Eg.of the grip, the tyres that i have tested are feed tyres that have been worn down to the point that they are no longer suitable (don’t have enough grip to feed the paper) to stay in the machine, no tread what so ever, and they still have superior grip over a tyre that has just been rated by ph2t as an awsome tyre(gandini).

Edited by – takata on 23 January 2005 18:29:13

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Hey ph2t
i have a custom tyre that i think may grip very very well in dusty smooth conditions, as i work as a laser printer technician in brissy i get to see a shit load of different printers.

There is a certain printer who’s feed tyres have the exactly the same inner diameter as the stock rims of a mini z, (if not a half a mill smaller), which is perfect to strech the tyre over the rim
so there is no need to glue.

These feed tyres are designed by HP to be such a soft compisite rubber to maintain grip all the time, and to grip what? Thats right D U S T Y paper and there is nothing else harder for a printer to do then trying to pickup dusty/dirty paper.

The feed tyres outer diameter does fit under the several bodies that i have tried and will need minimal trimming of the shell, but don’t be discouraged as i too have purchased the GPM tyres from ausmicro shop which also needed body modification.

As the feed tyres are standard at approx 40mm there is some cutting that is involved to get them to the size to fit on to the rim, but this not a bad thing as it allows me to customize the width of the tyres to the rim. I have also made the tyres a little wider on the nsx rims (14mm)which means you can have a tyre that is wider than any other premanufactured tyre, i melted the over hanging inner edge of the tyre causing there to be a cambered effect which gives even more handling ability to the tyres. I have used them on a netball court surface and get no wear or damage to the edge of the tyre but as have not been able to fit my x speed motor yet, so i have not been able to test these in a high powered mini z application yet.

Only cons that i know of are, the tyres are of such a soft compound over stretching will tear them and that the colour is grey not black
but i am sure that won’t matter to much something different at a track meet is always a good thing.

Ph2t you are the guinea pig here if you would like to test these for me please send a post and we will sort out what to do from there.
These work perfectly on my own old vinyl flooring which is ok to drive on with the gandini foamies, (ONLY OK), and is impossible with standard kyosho tyres so i have faith that these will work for all of you that have dusty floor boards that you want to tame with your mini z.

If i think of anything else about these tyres i will edit this post, let me know.

Takata

Edited by – takata on 23 January 2005 18:27:45

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What the fuck !!!!!!! early feb !!!!! aaagghhh
:angry::angry:
man your killing me here PH2T,
you know confusous say man who drives stock Z gets driven fuckin crazy.
NOT MAD JUST FRUSTRATED OK !!!!!!!!!
Now i have to wait until feb.
Oh life is so unfair i think i will just end it ! END IT NOW !!!! END IT FOR EVER !!!!!!!!!end the post that is. takata

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now now guys don’t confuse the situation i am still learning whats good and whats bad.

now i am probably starting WW3 over this question but there must be a definate advantage to the rotostart system, as this is why i am choosing the savage 25 over the ss because its main difference being one is a pull start and the other is the roto.

here we go guys plead your cases which is better?

GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

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yeah i imagine that these suckers would take up a lot of time in maintenance but i would like to think that i am mechanically minded so i shouldn’t have to much trouble and if i’m stuck obviously there are few people here that know what there talking about.

I think the next step is to see one in action!!!! :D:D

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From brissy so i’m sure there is no chance of anybody owning one up here. if i can ask you a question without being laughed at, if someone was to drive the car hard, but not kamakaze style, i know i said not to laugh! then how much would you be looking at basic maintenance repairs and fuel per month. Because i am sure that if you were to drive it normally then it would last a very long time or am i thinking about this all wrong is it a little bit higher next time and a little bit further next time and a little bit faster until whoops i know how it is.

i suppose i would go and find a local bike track or R/C track and go and talk to somebody about theres but i don’t want to be one of those TWATS that go up to people and go “wow thats so cool, yeah i’m going to own one soon, no really i am”.
so if you know anyone that is able to show me the capability of these beasts then that would be sweet. peace out:) what am i smileing for i still don’t own one yet:sad::angry:

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Sorry i wasn’t sure i had thought that ready to run meant that i was actually factory assembled for you rather than in kit form i didn’t think it was anything to do with the controller, whoops

i also saw the new traxxas revo RTR 4WD nitro monster which is supposed to be the shit and unfortunately i have an annoying habit of wanting the best for the cheapest amount of money do you now anything about this truck.

must go now i’m playing PSI OP’S on X-Box just stopped for a breather

Takata

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Pandabear i think option b is now out of the question i really don’t see my sister carring that huge box around with her without thinking DAVID YOU BASTARD !!!!!!!! so maybe the best option is to source from mrc, i did visit their website and were helpful but i didn’t know wether the price included the radio gear as i didn’t say that it didn’t and they had a (list of things you will need) and it wasn’t on there so i’m guessing you do get it. Do you know what type of radio gear you get with it ?

thanks takata

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i had lost hope on anybody replying to this post so i hadn’t visited it in ages but i should have more faith thanks for the reply and i will check out MRC my sister is in england at the moment and she is visiting the USA on her way back so i will have to decide on buying from OZ or getting her to get me one.

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purchased a varta charger not impressed when they lead you to believe they will charge all batteries in 15 min when opening the packet i realise it’s actually 1 hour. So i returned it and purchased the energiser quick charger which charges in one hour and you can purchase 850 mah batteries for them aswell and i am very happy with my final purchase.
Happy new year Takata

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hello….. hello….. is there any body out there…….. obviously there is no such thing as cheap HPI savage oh well.

end of transmission………

Edited by – takata on 22 December 2004 23:12:12

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Received my order aswell, very good, but missing some stuff not mentioned but missing from order were 2 antenna’s and 1 alloy heatsink also received 1 set of narrow power tyres and 1 wide but need 2 sets of wide as ordered. evry thing else is sweet so aaron please let me know what is to happen now as i will not be in QLD from thursday onwards i will be in gosford so if we need to swap some shit around we can sort it out after christmas as the antenna’s are not that important keep me posted thanks takata

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yes i saw angelina too but because i only have dial up it was like watching 24 short soft porn films one after the other with 10 seconds of pause in between, very fuckin annoying i must say. must get adsl. lion one was pretty awsome aswell

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hey bithed i’m definetly after these but i’m trying to confince myself to spend the money so when i decide to buy them i will let you know
but thanks for all the info.
peace out brothers:D

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hey thanks for the info i am thinking of leaning towards the square one, they sound like the shit i’m after 3 does any one know estimate prices for these diffs.

i have noticed no one has mentioned anything about cermic balled diffs, is this because they are over priced or what?

sorry i cant help you out with the shaft business bithed i’m just not into that type of thing. :blush::D

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hey aaron can i please add a TTA241781 model kit. Sorry to add this now but i only saw it tonight thanks takata.

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Hey Aaron i have put the total on my original order and i am just waiting to send the money. The ausmicro bank is this a dedicated account as i do not want to use my credit card, if so can you please send me the relative details so i can get the ball rolling.

When does it look like the order will be placed with TE as i am going crazy up here waiting in anticipation of getting these parts into my car so i can start ripping it up.

thanks takata

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Hey i was thinking of getting one for my dad for his birthday and yes what a coincidence my parents have a cat also.:D:D
but seriously who knows wether the marui (think thats how you spell it) ones are better or the hen long. As the hen long seem to have more detail but are they as optioned as the marui for Eg independent suspension. Let me know somebody which one the shiz nit. takata
Is this correct about not being able to get the air soft guns into the country, does anyone know of anybody successfully getting one in
because if you could that would be sweeeeeet.

Edited by – takata on 25 November 2004 00:22:14

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