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The dragonfly is made by the same company as the outlaw. If you mean do they fly the same ? Yes,
there are some subtle differences. The dragonfly flys faster and has a better glide slope.
Whereas your outlaw basically just hovers in for a landing, the dragonfly you have to start the landing aproach a lot further back and it will come in faster. In thermals the outlaw struggles to stay up without power, the dragonfly can fly in them with just touching the turning motor controls.The B29 isn’t as hard to turn as you might think.
It needs room but I can get it around in a cricket oval with plenty of room to spare.Bronze wings ? 🙂
SPINS
A spin is a violent form of aircraft flight. Lucky though, they are rare. There are a few kinds of spin but the most common for micro RC planes is a ‘spiral dive’. It is often caused by the plane stalling in turbulence, so that one wing drops while the other wing rises quickly. If the pilot doesn’t react instantly, the inside wing will continue to drop and stall. The weight of the plane and the momentum of the outside wing will make it move faster and produce more lift.
The problem is that the wing is producing lift, but the plane is nose down and the lift is actually horizontal, and it’s pulling the plane futher into the spin making the plane spiral faster ! The inside wing is still stalled and not producing lift.
If your plane is less than 100ft then it’s probably all over red rover, but I would not go down without a fight.
Natural response is to try to turn out of the spiral and in most cases this will work fine, if
you do it soon enough. If the plane is already on it’s way to hell with you in it, then trying to turn the stalled wing out will only get you there quicker.
With only a few miliseconds to spare until your grizzly RC death, back off the throttle, hard turn into the spiral and then add full throttle with the turn still on. The plane will roll through the spin and pull out. You then need to keep the throttle on and nudge the plane the other direction quickly to level the wings. There won’t be much space left between you and the ground if you haven’t already hit it. The plane will be flying very fast as it levels out and will climb and stall quickly if you don’t back off the throttle as it starts to climb.
You’ll still be close to the ground, and a stall will bad, so get ready to add some power before
that happens.A spin is a death sentence for thruster pilots. Recovery is just a matter of luck + height.
The key to recovery is to stop the nose pointing at the ground. This may sound obvious but in
the panic of a spin it may not be so.Other types of spins are never likely to occur with thrusters and if they do happen, sit back and listen for the tiny pilot’s scream !
Sometimes doing nothing, the plane will recover by itself. Most planes are designed to. It’sa matter of how much height they lose doing it.
The above my seem like a lot to take in especially for something that is all over in a few seconds. If it does happen, hopefully your subconscious will have read this and will move your fingers for you as your brain is busy pulling the face muscles :D.
PD.
The centre of gravity on most planes is the highest point on the wing in the centre of the plane. You can usually find the point by how the plane ballances on your finger. You can find it more accurately with a bit of tape and string taped to the back of the wing.For thurster planes, the CofG is back futher than it is on normal planes. It makes them turn quicker, but at the trade off stalling easier.
To see if you have the CoG set correctly, fly it in a straight line, it stalls easy, then a little bit of weight in the nose will help or adjust the elevators to make the plane nose down a bit more.
If you fly the plane and it doesn’t stall, check how easy it is to turn. You may find it very hard to turn. Take some weight out of the nose or move the elevators the other way. Slight changes will make big differences.
Do you have a pic/link of the Sky Viper murph ?
Flying RC stuff, sooner or later you crash.
It’s just a factor you take into account.
Helicopters are the worst, I often think it’s cheaper flying a real chopper. Real choppers are easier to fly too.At the moment I have …
Kitty Hawk – thruster similar to yellowbee
Dragonfly – DSE plane
Dash A40 –
Dash 8 – haven’t flown it much yet
Mirage – tiny plane 20cm wingspan
B29 – 4 enginesMy friends also have
Falcon – Big heavy thruster – very easy to fly.
Yellowbee – DSE good thermaler, hard to fly
Outlaw – Easy to fly
B2/B4 – I haven’t flown one yet. Ask talldude. They look cool flying.I also have a 3ch, 737 .. I’m still working on it.
Ummmarrrr. 🙂 Gee, I haven’t been banned from something since I … err.. well.. yeah.
It’s a mutual thing between me and microsoft.
You only every get kicked out of class if you do something funny.Anyhow, your grace us with your presence here.
:smiley16:I can run mine is 2 car parking spaces easy, the shopping centre floor is best for them after hours.
Ah, I meant to ask if your outlaw swoops a lot PD?
My friends outlaw used to swoop and stall quite badly. I got him to put some blutac in the nose and adjusted his elevators slightly and it has flown well ever since.
Outlaw is a good plane for beginners. I was flying today out at penrith again about midday.
My friend I fly with still flys his outlaw too.
The a40 is much lighter and jumps around a little more on the bumps in the air, but you build the relfexes quickly for it. The outlaw you just cruise through the air 🙂I was flying my A40 out there and this guy playing kicks with his kids was stunned.
He came over and asked where he could get one,
and how much they cost. Before I could land the plane I was flying and chat to him my friend said
“$100 and he imports them”.
By the time my plane was on the ground he was handing over the cash to my friend and was handing over the plane I had brought out for his friend. What a scammer !I have a short avi file of my a40 flying this arvo if I can find somewhere to upload it.
you’ll know why you crashed ? heheh
STALLS
The most important thing about learning to fly any aircraft is learning how to identify and
correct a STALL.
A stall happens when the wings no long create lift. (commonly called ‘falling’!) This can happen when the plane is flying too slow, it is climbing too steep or in turbulance.The key to surviving a stall is HEIGHT, the more you have, the safer you are.
To practice a stall, fly straight and power on full. The plane will climb, keep the power on and
the plane will begin to nose up and fly slower until it stalls. The nose will drop quickly and
the plane will dive fast towards the ground.The natural response is to back off the throttle. (which you should have done before the stall to stop it happening). Power on Full … the plane dives, but with the power on it will increase speed quickly and pull out. As the plane levels out or starts to climb you should back off the throttle to half power, otherwise the plane will climb and stall again and again in a ever
bigger swooping motion. Each swoop you will loose height until you hit the ground.(If a stall happens close to the ground you’re as good as dead, you may choose not to power on
to soften the blow. I personally don’t think it makes a difference and I’ll go down fighting with full throttle and my hair on fire !)Avoid turning in a stall. This will cause you to roll into a dive which will turn into a spin
and your untimely RC death ! Stalling one wing and not the other is to be avoided.
It’s caused by climbing to fast and turning at the same time.Other things can cause stalls, the most common is matter on the top side of the wing. Any stray bumps like glue or tape can cause a wing to stall and water drops from rain etc will definately cause a stall. Avoid putting tape on top of your wing or the front of the wing.
To avoiding a stall is harder in micro thrusters because you don’t have an elevator control so
you will either just have to ride them out or learn how not to cause them.If you think you’re going to stall, backing off the power to zero will just cause it sooner.
If you catch it early enough, you can back off to half power and then power on again as the plane levels out. Sometimes it’s just too late.If your close to the ground already and you stall, you’re doomed ! (Height = Saftey)
Power on and ride it out… as the plane swoops and dives keep the power ON ! It will pull the
plane out of the dive quicker (or hit the ground which you were going to do anyway). Once it starts leveling out, back off the throttle and don’t let it quickly climb again. You can just fly normally by nudging the throttle between half and full keeping the nose level. If the plane picked up too much airspeed and starts to climb again even with the power off, wait for it to slow down in the climb and before it stalls, nudge the power on full and fly away level at half power.You may also try a variation where as the plane pulls out of the dive and you still have the power on full, start a turn. As long as you keep the power on through the turn, the plane won’t stall and will keep it’s airspeed. You can then use this extra speed to climb out fast.
Stalls happen all the time and with practise, you’ll master them and use them for fast manouvers.
Remember, you control them! Don’t let them control you.yep, I saw them in HK a few months ago.
sound on the txer and lights on the car.I’m curious, has anybody seen the battle bots ?
They are walking RC robots that can fight each other. I haven’t seen any in aus and I haven’t looked on ebay.
it’s all outdoors.
I haven’t thought of any cool uses for a sub camera. I would think it was funny to have one somewhere like sydney aquarium.
I ventured into uncle pete’s toys the other day.
Damn he’s got some markups !
I saw some very interesting finned subs.
not radio control, but it might make an interesting project to give one a brain or RC.“Know the toe !”
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TURNS & DIVES
Generally, Turns are very gentle, small nudges on the controls will be enough to control most planes.
NEVER change your mind. “I’m going to turn around in front of that tree… oh, I’m not going to
make it, I’ll turn back the other way !” NOooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!Remember to commit to a turn. !! I’m going to turn in front of the tree, oh, I’m not going to
make it… POWER ON and HARD TURN the way you are already turning !
The plane may dive into the turn… be ready to nudge the power the other way to level the
plane, but keep the power on. (get ready for a possible stall).Even if your plane doesn’t make the turn, I often think it is better to ditch your plane into the ground than to have to climb a tree, knock it out and then have it hit the ground and you hit the ground as well on the way down. You’ve put yourself in a bad situation, you have nothing left to loose. Make that turn !!!
If your heavy handed on the controls in normal flight and find the plane rolls and dives then you need to ACT QUICK ! Power on Full and a short hard turn to level the plane. Again, get ready for a stall.
A common mistake in making turns is the natural response to back off the power. Once the plane is banked, it needs power to pull it through the turn. If you back off the power, you’re likely to stall or dive. This will make you even more hesitant to put the power on. Full throttle, will pull you out of a dive quicker. If you think you’re going to hit the ground, you probably will,
so getting there quicker isn’t really going to hurt much more. Power on and take the chance that you’ll pull out… go down fighting !* There is saftey in height, flying at higher than 10 metres gives you room for errors.
* Full throttle will pull you out of a dive quicker.
* More throttle will pull your through a turn quicker.
* Constant light turns will prevent stallsMore power asserts your control on the plane !
I’m just addicted to the A40 and some are most other people who see them fly. I’m going to be doing some tug experiments with mine this weekend to see if it can tow a bit glider.
Work got boring yesterday, so I just started typing. There are heaps of pages 🙂
It’s hard to read something, then transform it into flying skills. Some things are just reflex for me now and I have to think hard about how I actually do things.Well looks like I should be around sunday. I’ll probably bring a box full of machines down and make an arvo of it. I’m building a bit track at the moment, I might have some of it finished by sunday, I’ll just throw it on the roof racks for you kiddies to test out.
So bring ya Z’s and if you don’t have one, then bring a bit. If you answer is C, (none of the above) bring yourself !!!
LEARNING TO FLY MICRO PLANES.
Start with a windless day. A light breeze will be too strong for learning to fly micro planes.
Flying in the morning is best as there is often no breeze at all.
Later on you will be able to fly in light winds, but for now avoid them.Assuming your plane is reasonably ballanced already, it’s time to learn how to launch, land and
fly.To launch you plane stand facing into the very light breeze (wind), NEVER launch downwind or
cross wind. You won’t need the remote control, the plane should glide by itself.
Give the plane a firm push into the air at an angle slightly down or horizontal, as if you were
throwing a dart or a paper aeroplane. It’s not a baseball, don’t chuck it and it’s not a javlin,
45 degrees will make the plane go up, stall and crash. You’re just trying to prove that the plane will glide straight by itself for 5 metres and not stall or hit the ground hard.The plane should glide a few metres by itself and land without damaging anything. If it does so, then you’re ready to try long glides.
Find a football oval and stand at one end (facing into the very light breeze).
With the remote control in one hand and the plane in the other, full throttle on and push the plane into the air just like before but angled slightly up at about 10 degrees. The plane will start to climb away in front of you… keep it flying straight with TINY nudges on the rudder, power off after 3 seconds and land in the center of the oval.
After a few runs you should be able to land the plane exactly in the center circle/square/pitch
every time. If you plane is landing anywhere else then you need to keep practising these long glides and get it right.Once you can land where you want then you can consider turns.
Turning should be gentle and smooth, not hard on the controls. Gentle nudges on the turn control
will bring you plane around with room to spare. Turning too tight can result in one wing stalling and the plane going into a spin.Launch as usual, but fly down one side of the oval with the power on full throttle to get some
height and then make a gentle turn. Picture it in your mind. If the plane isn’t turning as quick
as you thought it would, turn a little harder. The plane should cruise around and turn back
towards you. At this point you may consider landing back towards yourself or if you have enough room, keep the throttle on and continue to climb, slow turning the same direction keeping a circuit. You should find it easy to continue to fly in a circle gradually widening or tightening the turn as you feel. Be careful to keep the plane over your landing area as a breeze higher up may carry your plane away.When your ready to land bring the plane around to the end of the oval that you’re standing at and turn it back into the wind. If the plane is too high, then back off the power and fly another circle over the oval and come back to your end again. When the plane is about 30ft/10m
above the ground at your end, turn back into the wind and power off.
You might need some gentle nudges on the rudder to keep the plane flying straight and the wings
level. Aim for the centre of the oval again. As the plane comes close to the ground, give it about 1/2 throttle about 1m above the ground. The plane will then seem to float along the ground, back to zero throttle and the plane will land gently.Congrates, you’ve completed a circuit !
catch the train to meadowbank … north of strathfield.
When you get off, walk towards Parramatta (west).
It’s a big park and you should be able to see the netball courts without too much hassles. It’s about 5 minutes walk from the station at most.I’m hoping to be there again.
cheap, fun and exciting …. yep, that’s most of the stuff. A40’s are exciting and fun, though not as cheap as other toys.
The subs are cheap, though I tire of terrorising fish…. I’m going to mount the wireless camera in it and then it’s going to the local public pool !!!! I’m keen to depth test it… diving pool is 7m deep… I wonder if it will crush it ?Well I have a mini-X too that you can use dw.
Anybody else will have to race clones.
The concrete netball courts are ok for a bit of fun at the park, but I’d say that hiring an indoor basketball court or squash court would be a better idea. Crack out those 20 deg tyres boys !
Some of the guys in my work head office mentioned that there was a guy that tours the shopping centres demo’ing mini-Z’s etc. I haven’t seen any other information on him, but shopping centre floors kick arse !
I may check with my local sports center, they have lots of indoor stuff. See what I can scam for some time in January.
🙂Thanks guys,
There is a 3V lithium battery in the prime mover,
which provides power to the motor and rxer.
Another in the first trailer and one in the last.
They power the LED’s and those that drive the fibres.I orignially wanted to put the highlights down the side of the trailers, but the fibres were more direction than first thought, so you couln’t see them from all angles, so I stuck with front and rear. So there was no need for the center trailer to carry a battery.
I also considered a mercury switch that switched the brake lights on when the trailer slowed down,
but there wasn’t really enough inertia to make it work properly, so I canned that idea too.The final failure was a bullbar. I searched high and low for anything that had one I could transplant, to no luck. I tried building them with
plastic beams from the hobby shop. I even tried moulding one out of 5 minute epoxy and blutac mould. Yeah, maybe I should have taken a photo of that mess.The original truck was one I got from HK when I was working there, the others were from GoLo.
They were really crappy and I destoryed a few trying different ideas like gears and dual motors to make up for lousy torque of the original.I freaked when I finally got enough torque, but the single axel didn’t have enough traction.
The original batteries were also too light, the extra weight of the lithium batteries combined with 4WD worked well. The added friction just added to the illusion of poor accelleration of road trains.It would be awesome if you could control it.
I flew it last night out on the street about 30ft in the air.
Like a true gyro, whatever force you put into it comes out at 90 degress. So if there is a wind blowing it doesn’t travel downwind, it moves across it !!I’m thinking about you’d build one to move horizontally. I have a rough idea in my head using the earths magnetic field as a reference and just a little counterweight on a solidnoid to kick it at just the right point to move it.
Despite only being a single channel, I’ve got my money’s worth out of it in laughs so far.
My cat thinks it’s the best toy yet. She leaped off a table today to try catch it.
Best part is that it seems to be indestructable.All sorts of stuff. It’s just one big toy city.
What are you looking for ?
🙂Oh, yeah, I can fly the RC choppers without too many problems, but they have some electronic problems (cheap chinese circuits) and they have spent more time on the ground than in the air.
Lots of simulator time saves you money in rotor blades. I’ve only broken one and that is because of a mid air eletronics failure.If anybody is thinking about them, don’t buy FEDA
stuff. Their electronics are so shonky they set a new standard in LOW. Even Satan (my boss) is checking the souls of his feet to see what it was he stepped in !heheh, I bought a real cat. I’d just think of ways to be cruel to a robot dog. I’ve tortured furbies and I think one day if they every network further than their IR links, I’m going to be in big trouble !
Billy the big mouth bass looks like my next target.
http://bigmouth.here-n-there.com/The UFO has no steering control, so I wasn’t too keen on getting one, but I thought I’d give it a go, might be good for a few pranks on spooky neighbours. I haven’t stopped laughing since I first flew it. I’m now thinking of more evil things to do with it.
I’m still supprised nobody has mentioned the combat RC robots that you can get. -
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